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		<title>By: Winexpression.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Next Generation Wine Consumers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winexpression.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Next Generation Wine Consumers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Unfortunately at this point, research on wine purchasing decisions for this group is hard to come by. Many panels still target baby boomers for overall market information. But articles like this are sure to get researchers attention. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jathan</title>
		<link>http://winexpression.com/2005/12/29/parker-backlash-from-biased-panel-comments-from-wine-opinions/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Jathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John and Christian,

Thanks again for the comments, it's nice to hear your take on this information. 
 
"Please don't attribute this sentiment to Wine
Opinions - you will not find it expressed by us anywhere." 

As I stated in my previous post, I appreciate and understand that neither you nor any Wine Opinions information stated that sentiment. It was the reporters who used this data incorrectly and came up with headlines that are incorrect. 

As I am guessing this is the first year that this question was asked. I'm sure you'll agree that any conclusions drawn from this data would be incomplete and inaccurate. 

"..it's that the distribution of his ratings between none to moderately influential is extremely skewed towards "1 (no influence at all)" when compared to other media sources. "

This really doesn't tell us much. I'm interested in seeing what next year's study indicates when compared to this year's information on that specific question. Unfortunately, it will be some time before we can compare. 

Until then, thanks for your feedback again. It has been an interesting topic and has highlighted the importance of accurate journalism for the media as a whole, but also us bloggers. 

â€œIn Vino Veritasâ€

Jathan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John and Christian,</p>
<p>Thanks again for the comments, it&#8217;s nice to hear your take on this information. </p>
<p>&#8220;Please don&#8217;t attribute this sentiment to Wine<br />
Opinions - you will not find it expressed by us anywhere.&#8221; </p>
<p>As I stated in my previous post, I appreciate and understand that neither you nor any Wine Opinions information stated that sentiment. It was the reporters who used this data incorrectly and came up with headlines that are incorrect. </p>
<p>As I am guessing this is the first year that this question was asked. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll agree that any conclusions drawn from this data would be incomplete and inaccurate. </p>
<p>&#8220;..it&#8217;s that the distribution of his ratings between none to moderately influential is extremely skewed towards &#8220;1 (no influence at all)&#8221; when compared to other media sources. &#8221;</p>
<p>This really doesn&#8217;t tell us much. I&#8217;m interested in seeing what next year&#8217;s study indicates when compared to this year&#8217;s information on that specific question. Unfortunately, it will be some time before we can compare. </p>
<p>Until then, thanks for your feedback again. It has been an interesting topic and has highlighted the importance of accurate journalism for the media as a whole, but also us bloggers. </p>
<p>â€œIn Vino Veritasâ€</p>
<p>Jathan</p>
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		<title>By: Jathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

Thanks for your take on this. You make some good points on casual wine drinkers and the direction they take. Serious Wine Drinkers will continue to trust Robert Parkers taste buds, and I think it's pretty obvious that this study in no way shows that has changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Thanks for your take on this. You make some good points on casual wine drinkers and the direction they take. Serious Wine Drinkers will continue to trust Robert Parkers taste buds, and I think it&#8217;s pretty obvious that this study in no way shows that has changed.</p>
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		<title>By: John Gillespie</title>
		<link>http://winexpression.com/2005/12/29/parker-backlash-from-biased-panel-comments-from-wine-opinions/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>John Gillespie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jathan,

Thanks for posting our reply on your website. However, we still feel the
need to clarify some misconceptions. 

You cannot compare the Wine Opinions panel demographically to Wine Market
Council's figures on U.S. core wine consumers, because the Opinions panel is
representative of only PART of the total core audience.  I know this to be
true because I am the president of Wine Market Council and I am the one
(with the assistance of Merrill Research) who calculated both the Wine
Market Council data and the Wine Opinions data.  The Opinions data is only
reflective of the "high end" core wine consumer, not the entire core
audience.  The 16.2 million number is only the high end of the 28.7 million
total core wine drinkers in the U.S.  So, for example, it makes sense that
while only 7% of all core wine drinkers read the Wine Spectator, 30% of
Opinions panel members do, once you take into account the statistical margin
of error.  The Opinions panel is not "unbalanced" in regard to media
involvement of its members, it is simply a reflection of that part of the
core audience that it does indeed represent.

The same thing is true with demographics.  The Opinions panel tends more
toward boomers - they are the vast majority of "high end" consumers.  While
Millennial adults are certainly the fastest growing segment of the overall
wine market, two thirds of them are marginal wine consumers, and only one
third are cores.  The number of high end consumers they represent is much
smaller - again, in line with the demographics of the Opinions panel.
Although the core consumers of the Millenial generation are more likely to
buy high end wines, there are simply not as many of them as the boomers (for
now).

Again, we do not conclude that Robert Parker is either not influential or is
losing his influence, only that he polarizes high end consumers to the
extent that his negatives (lowest rating) outweigh his positives (top two
ratings) by a ratio of 3 - 1.  The key point is not that Parker has fewer
people citing him as very or extremely influential - it's that the
distribution of his ratings between none to moderately influential is
extremely skewed towards "1 (no influence at all)" when compared to other
media sources. 

This gap cannot be ascribed to fewer people being aware of Parker.  Some 21%
of panelists report reading Parker at least "seldom", and the number who are
aware of him is presumably higher.  Even if you assume that 79% are unaware
of Parker, the difference between the Parker ratings by this group and the
ratings for other sources remains significant.

You also say that "if someone reads Wine Spectator regularly, more than
likely they aren't going to list Robert Parker as "Very Influential" in
their purchasing decisions."  Actually 84% of our panel's Parker readers are
also Spectator readers.  Those who read both quite often are as influenced
by Parker than the Spectator.  You also say, "the data showing people citing
his influence as low shouldn't be taken as a sign that his influence is
weakening."  You are right - we DON'T take it that way and have not said so
in either our press relase or in the Core Track report which goes into great
depth on this subject.  Please don't attribute this sentiment to Wine
Opinions - you will not find it expressed by us anywhere.  In fact, Parker
is also differentiated from other media sources in that the numbers of those
citing him as an influence are projected to be much larger than his actual
subscription base or readership.  But we are also certain that significant
numbers of high end wine consumers feel it necessary to disavow his
influence, at a far greater rate than other other media sources. 

We enjoy the give and take of the blog/forum format and please feel free to
post our response in your commentary. 

Best regards,

John Gillespie &#38; Christian Miller

Wine Opinions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jathan,</p>
<p>Thanks for posting our reply on your website. However, we still feel the<br />
need to clarify some misconceptions. </p>
<p>You cannot compare the Wine Opinions panel demographically to Wine Market<br />
Council&#8217;s figures on U.S. core wine consumers, because the Opinions panel is<br />
representative of only PART of the total core audience.  I know this to be<br />
true because I am the president of Wine Market Council and I am the one<br />
(with the assistance of Merrill Research) who calculated both the Wine<br />
Market Council data and the Wine Opinions data.  The Opinions data is only<br />
reflective of the &#8220;high end&#8221; core wine consumer, not the entire core<br />
audience.  The 16.2 million number is only the high end of the 28.7 million<br />
total core wine drinkers in the U.S.  So, for example, it makes sense that<br />
while only 7% of all core wine drinkers read the Wine Spectator, 30% of<br />
Opinions panel members do, once you take into account the statistical margin<br />
of error.  The Opinions panel is not &#8220;unbalanced&#8221; in regard to media<br />
involvement of its members, it is simply a reflection of that part of the<br />
core audience that it does indeed represent.</p>
<p>The same thing is true with demographics.  The Opinions panel tends more<br />
toward boomers - they are the vast majority of &#8220;high end&#8221; consumers.  While<br />
Millennial adults are certainly the fastest growing segment of the overall<br />
wine market, two thirds of them are marginal wine consumers, and only one<br />
third are cores.  The number of high end consumers they represent is much<br />
smaller - again, in line with the demographics of the Opinions panel.<br />
Although the core consumers of the Millenial generation are more likely to<br />
buy high end wines, there are simply not as many of them as the boomers (for<br />
now).</p>
<p>Again, we do not conclude that Robert Parker is either not influential or is<br />
losing his influence, only that he polarizes high end consumers to the<br />
extent that his negatives (lowest rating) outweigh his positives (top two<br />
ratings) by a ratio of 3 - 1.  The key point is not that Parker has fewer<br />
people citing him as very or extremely influential - it&#8217;s that the<br />
distribution of his ratings between none to moderately influential is<br />
extremely skewed towards &#8220;1 (no influence at all)&#8221; when compared to other<br />
media sources. </p>
<p>This gap cannot be ascribed to fewer people being aware of Parker.  Some 21%<br />
of panelists report reading Parker at least &#8220;seldom&#8221;, and the number who are<br />
aware of him is presumably higher.  Even if you assume that 79% are unaware<br />
of Parker, the difference between the Parker ratings by this group and the<br />
ratings for other sources remains significant.</p>
<p>You also say that &#8220;if someone reads Wine Spectator regularly, more than<br />
likely they aren&#8217;t going to list Robert Parker as &#8220;Very Influential&#8221; in<br />
their purchasing decisions.&#8221;  Actually 84% of our panel&#8217;s Parker readers are<br />
also Spectator readers.  Those who read both quite often are as influenced<br />
by Parker than the Spectator.  You also say, &#8220;the data showing people citing<br />
his influence as low shouldn&#8217;t be taken as a sign that his influence is<br />
weakening.&#8221;  You are right - we DON&#8217;T take it that way and have not said so<br />
in either our press relase or in the Core Track report which goes into great<br />
depth on this subject.  Please don&#8217;t attribute this sentiment to Wine<br />
Opinions - you will not find it expressed by us anywhere.  In fact, Parker<br />
is also differentiated from other media sources in that the numbers of those<br />
citing him as an influence are projected to be much larger than his actual<br />
subscription base or readership.  But we are also certain that significant<br />
numbers of high end wine consumers feel it necessary to disavow his<br />
influence, at a far greater rate than other other media sources. </p>
<p>We enjoy the give and take of the blog/forum format and please feel free to<br />
post our response in your commentary. </p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>John Gillespie &amp; Christian Miller</p>
<p>Wine Opinions</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jate, this a fun debate.  I think you have to keep in mind that we are in the minority.  As I've sat in local wine shop, I've watched people come in just looking around and to which way they lean as they are helped.  I noticed for their everyday drinking it comes down to price or the "good deal" but even more so they walk in and say "I had such and such wine at a freinds or at a dinner out do you guys carry it?" But then there is the customer that want's to buy somthing special for that wine collector or wine geek in their life, they are almost always directed to a high Parker score.  In many cases don't even know who Parker is but it effects their buying because that is what they have been lead to. I asked the guys why don't they lead people who are shopping for lower priced wine towards Parkers ratings that are high on those wines? "Because the wine geeks buy up all the lower price high rating Parker wines before we can get them on the shelf.  Then there is the guy who says," Wine Advocate rated this high do you know what Parker gave it?" In my humble opinion casual wine drinkers will use just about anything to help them through the wine maze, where as serious drinkers and collectors Know where to go.  Keep in mind too that they can pick up Spectator anywhere not even have to buy it get some advise and put it back on the shelf where as you know there is only two ways to get the Advocate, and due to the price of each you have to be pretty serious. 
              Thanks for the line,
                     Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jate, this a fun debate.  I think you have to keep in mind that we are in the minority.  As I&#8217;ve sat in local wine shop, I&#8217;ve watched people come in just looking around and to which way they lean as they are helped.  I noticed for their everyday drinking it comes down to price or the &#8220;good deal&#8221; but even more so they walk in and say &#8220;I had such and such wine at a freinds or at a dinner out do you guys carry it?&#8221; But then there is the customer that want&#8217;s to buy somthing special for that wine collector or wine geek in their life, they are almost always directed to a high Parker score.  In many cases don&#8217;t even know who Parker is but it effects their buying because that is what they have been lead to. I asked the guys why don&#8217;t they lead people who are shopping for lower priced wine towards Parkers ratings that are high on those wines? &#8220;Because the wine geeks buy up all the lower price high rating Parker wines before we can get them on the shelf.  Then there is the guy who says,&#8221; Wine Advocate rated this high do you know what Parker gave it?&#8221; In my humble opinion casual wine drinkers will use just about anything to help them through the wine maze, where as serious drinkers and collectors Know where to go.  Keep in mind too that they can pick up Spectator anywhere not even have to buy it get some advise and put it back on the shelf where as you know there is only two ways to get the Advocate, and due to the price of each you have to be pretty serious.<br />
              Thanks for the line,<br />
                     Chris</p>
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