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		<title>By: jatemack</title>
		<link>http://winexpression.com/2007/07/27/screwcaps-under-attack-but-will-prevail/#comment-48147</link>
		<dc:creator>jatemack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Orson,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the feedback. New for fine wine's? Yes. Used before for plonk? Yes. Does that make it less appropriate to protect and seal fine wine today? No.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You sound like someone who subscribes to the idea that a screwcap somehow cheapens wine. That's too bad, since that's how every wine will be sealed in the near future. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh well, I'll let you stick to your Thunderbird while I enjoy Napa Valley's finest.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-Jathan&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Orson,</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback. New for fine wine&#8217;s? Yes. Used before for plonk? Yes. Does that make it less appropriate to protect and seal fine wine today? No.</p>
<p>You sound like someone who subscribes to the idea that a screwcap somehow cheapens wine. That&#8217;s too bad, since that&#8217;s how every wine will be sealed in the near future. </p>
<p>Oh well, I&#8217;ll let you stick to your Thunderbird while I enjoy Napa Valley&#8217;s finest.</p>
<p>-Jathan</p>
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		<title>By: Orson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"New forms" of bottle closure?. I have fond memories of screw caps on wine bottles way back in the late fifties and early sixties. Let's see, there were Wild Irish Rose and Thunderbird - my first red and my first white. It's true, I never had one go bad on me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;New forms&#8221; of bottle closure?. I have fond memories of screw caps on wine bottles way back in the late fifties and early sixties. Let&#8217;s see, there were Wild Irish Rose and Thunderbird - my first red and my first white. It&#8217;s true, I never had one go bad on me.</p>
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		<title>By: swirlingnotions</title>
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		<dc:creator>swirlingnotions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you jatemack. I'm sticking to screwcaps during the week and saving my corks for the weekend . . . when I've got the extra 15 seconds to open them ;-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you jatemack. I&#8217;m sticking to screwcaps during the week and saving my corks for the weekend . . . when I&#8217;ve got the extra 15 seconds to open them ;-).</p>
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		<title>By: jatemack</title>
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		<dc:creator>jatemack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Swirlingnotions,

Since I mainly drink wine during the week and on the weekends, screw caps work out perfect for me.....

:o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Swirlingnotions,</p>
<p>Since I mainly drink wine during the week and on the weekends, screw caps work out perfect for me&#8230;..</p>
<p>:o)</p>
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		<title>By: swirlingnotions</title>
		<link>http://winexpression.com/2007/07/27/screwcaps-under-attack-but-will-prevail/#comment-44369</link>
		<dc:creator>swirlingnotions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The environmental argument does seem to be stretching it a bit. There are a few technical issues about which wines take best to screw caps (I have blog entry on that &lt;a href="http://swirlingnotions.wordpress.com/2007/05/17/unscrewed/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;), but to me it still comes down to whether I'm looking for convenience (Wed night rose) or grandeur (a BIG bottle on a BIG night) in a given moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The environmental argument does seem to be stretching it a bit. There are a few technical issues about which wines take best to screw caps (I have blog entry on that <a href="http://swirlingnotions.wordpress.com/2007/05/17/unscrewed/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/swirlingnotions.wordpress.com');">here</a>), but to me it still comes down to whether I&#8217;m looking for convenience (Wed night rose) or grandeur (a BIG bottle on a BIG night) in a given moment.</p>
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		<title>By: jatemack</title>
		<link>http://winexpression.com/2007/07/27/screwcaps-under-attack-but-will-prevail/#comment-42475</link>
		<dc:creator>jatemack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dean,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the clarification. Bravo to your company for commissioning such a study, and for adopting newer forms of bottle closure. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;wineboy8,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Certainly, we can and do read, but as you point out, information you reference was in the study, and not simply the story on Decanter's website. Now that further details have been supplied by Mr. Banister on this website and Decanter, we are all on the same page. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No one was attacking them, or their effort to research their environmental impact. On the contrary, this company is leading their industry, especially by making the brave move to do away with traditional corks because of problems with bottle variation and TCA. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And since Aluminum is freely available and shipped around the world for many other uses, it's not a huge problem that they don't ore it in wine country, when all a factory has to do is receive their supply from a local metal distributor.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I feel that these days, the ones with the biggest problem are those that constantly insist that the Cork is the holy grail of the wine industry, and that anything else is a cheap substitute ridden with problems.  With article headings like "Screwcaps worst for the environment says closure company", no wonder people come to the defense of the alternative closure. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The facts are, bottles sealed with Screw caps and other alternative closures are less likely to be tainted, and that is reason enough for me to seek out wineries that use them.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification. Bravo to your company for commissioning such a study, and for adopting newer forms of bottle closure. </p>
<p>wineboy8,</p>
<p>Certainly, we can and do read, but as you point out, information you reference was in the study, and not simply the story on Decanter&#8217;s website. Now that further details have been supplied by Mr. Banister on this website and Decanter, we are all on the same page. </p>
<p>No one was attacking them, or their effort to research their environmental impact. On the contrary, this company is leading their industry, especially by making the brave move to do away with traditional corks because of problems with bottle variation and TCA. </p>
<p>And since Aluminum is freely available and shipped around the world for many other uses, it&#8217;s not a huge problem that they don&#8217;t ore it in wine country, when all a factory has to do is receive their supply from a local metal distributor.  </p>
<p>I feel that these days, the ones with the biggest problem are those that constantly insist that the Cork is the holy grail of the wine industry, and that anything else is a cheap substitute ridden with problems.  With article headings like &#8220;Screwcaps worst for the environment says closure company&#8221;, no wonder people come to the defense of the alternative closure. </p>
<p>The facts are, bottles sealed with Screw caps and other alternative closures are less likely to be tainted, and that is reason enough for me to seek out wineries that use them.</p>
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		<title>By: wineboy8</title>
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		<dc:creator>wineboy8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its hard to believe that none of us can read. The study was done to find out what the company could do to reduce their own carbon footprint. This is pretty standard these days among wine companies and others concerned about the impact their business has on the environment.  The study clearly points out that the company makes all three of the studied closures, the screwcap, standard cork, and their micro-agglomerate DIAM cork.

The study also clearly indicates that each of the alternatives were calculated to include the capsule that covers the cork/bottle.  The study also clearly states that it takes into account a rate of recycling for the aluminum of 35%.

As for the carbon footprint resulting from the shipment of corks, what, do you really think that they make aluminum in Napa or in Tuscany, or in Bordeaux?  Come on. Think.  The sponsor simply released the information about their own products.  Why cant we just consider the facts (KEY WORD: FACTS) and use our brains to understand the implications of the study and not attack them for trying to be better for our environment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its hard to believe that none of us can read. The study was done to find out what the company could do to reduce their own carbon footprint. This is pretty standard these days among wine companies and others concerned about the impact their business has on the environment.  The study clearly points out that the company makes all three of the studied closures, the screwcap, standard cork, and their micro-agglomerate DIAM cork.</p>
<p>The study also clearly indicates that each of the alternatives were calculated to include the capsule that covers the cork/bottle.  The study also clearly states that it takes into account a rate of recycling for the aluminum of 35%.</p>
<p>As for the carbon footprint resulting from the shipment of corks, what, do you really think that they make aluminum in Napa or in Tuscany, or in Bordeaux?  Come on. Think.  The sponsor simply released the information about their own products.  Why cant we just consider the facts (KEY WORD: FACTS) and use our brains to understand the implications of the study and not attack them for trying to be better for our environment</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Banister Oeneo Bouchage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Banister Oeneo Bouchage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oeneo is the first and only closure supplier to provide carbon footprint data for their closures; we supply Diam and S - Cap but no longer produce traditional cork because of the TCA and bottle variation risk. The report was undertaken so that we could etablish our impact and undertake ways to reduce our carbon impact.

Both Diam and Screwcap have independently been proven to not scalp , taint or have a negative impact on wine quality.

I will answer your questions below;

1/ The figures are in tonnes of Co2 per million closures
2/ The imapct of recycling is considered with aluminium at a rate of 35% recycled material being used in prodcution, the European average. No consideration was made for recyling cork, although it can be recycled, it is an issue of collection.
3/ No consideration is made on returns as noted above Screwcap and Diam do not have an issue of having returns. No allowance was made for returns of natural cork because it cannot be quanitified statistically.
4/ The figures are for closures supplied into Europe.
5/ The figures for cork and Diam include the impact of the capsule.
6/ No allowance for the cork screw, they tend to be used many times to open wine. In my house thousands of times!

The research has been validated by the French Enviromental Agency. It was not intended to attack any closure or tell any winery what to use, just a reference point for evaluation. We would encourage all companies including other closure suppliers to underatake their own research and self scrutiny.

Dean Banister - Oeneo Bouchage</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oeneo is the first and only closure supplier to provide carbon footprint data for their closures; we supply Diam and S - Cap but no longer produce traditional cork because of the TCA and bottle variation risk. The report was undertaken so that we could etablish our impact and undertake ways to reduce our carbon impact.</p>
<p>Both Diam and Screwcap have independently been proven to not scalp , taint or have a negative impact on wine quality.</p>
<p>I will answer your questions below;</p>
<p>1/ The figures are in tonnes of Co2 per million closures<br />
2/ The imapct of recycling is considered with aluminium at a rate of 35% recycled material being used in prodcution, the European average. No consideration was made for recyling cork, although it can be recycled, it is an issue of collection.<br />
3/ No consideration is made on returns as noted above Screwcap and Diam do not have an issue of having returns. No allowance was made for returns of natural cork because it cannot be quanitified statistically.<br />
4/ The figures are for closures supplied into Europe.<br />
5/ The figures for cork and Diam include the impact of the capsule.<br />
6/ No allowance for the cork screw, they tend to be used many times to open wine. In my house thousands of times!</p>
<p>The research has been validated by the French Enviromental Agency. It was not intended to attack any closure or tell any winery what to use, just a reference point for evaluation. We would encourage all companies including other closure suppliers to underatake their own research and self scrutiny.</p>
<p>Dean Banister - Oeneo Bouchage</p>
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		<title>By: jatemack</title>
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		<dc:creator>jatemack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wouldn't that be a sight to see????&lt;br /&gt;
You forgot to mention the carbon footprint created by the cheese consumption that pairs so nicely with wine (pass the Lactaid please)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t that be a sight to see????<br />
You forgot to mention the carbon footprint created by the cheese consumption that pairs so nicely with wine (pass the Lactaid please)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good anaylisis, Jathan

I think Decanter intentionally tries to make thinks controversial in order to get a reaction.  

The reality is that wine has a high carbon footprint no matter how you look.  From the paraphernalia like corkscrews you pointed out to wine fridges to tons of Wine Spectators to heavy bottles shipped around the planet, etc, etc.   

But what are we to do?  Walk to the nearest winery buck ass naked with a container you found along the way and have them fill it?  And how big a carbon footprint does that make?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good anaylisis, Jathan</p>
<p>I think Decanter intentionally tries to make thinks controversial in order to get a reaction.  </p>
<p>The reality is that wine has a high carbon footprint no matter how you look.  From the paraphernalia like corkscrews you pointed out to wine fridges to tons of Wine Spectators to heavy bottles shipped around the planet, etc, etc.   </p>
<p>But what are we to do?  Walk to the nearest winery buck ass naked with a container you found along the way and have them fill it?  And how big a carbon footprint does that make?</p>
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